How to avoid using [code]<jsp:forward>[/code] standard action without using MVC framework? What good MVC framework outthere?

How to avoid using [code][/code] standard action without using MVC framework? What good MVC framework outthere?

2 Message(s) by 2 Author(s) originally posted in java developer

From: tungchau81

Date: Tuesday, September 14, 2004

Hi,
I've been using <jsp:forward

<messaging> (verb) To send (a copy of) an {electronic mail}
	message that you have received on to one or more other
	{addressees}.  Most e-mail systems can be configured to do
	this automatically to all or certain messages, e.g. {Unix}
	{sendmail} looks for a ".forward" file in the recipient's
	{home directory}.

	A {mailing list} server (or "{mail exploder}") is designed to
	forward messages automatically to lists of people.

	{Unix manual page}: aliases(5).

	(2000-03-22)

> alot in my application

1. {application program}.

	2. {function application}.

for
authentication to forward back to login page if the user did not log in
or to forward to a new or parent

<mathematics, data> The {ancestor} {node} in a {tree} that
	points to the current node (one of its child nodes).

	(2005-09-15)

page after hitting Submit button

1. <electronics> {push-button}.

	2. <operating system> A graphical representation of an
	electrical {push-button} appearing as part of a {graphical
	user interface}.  Moving the {mouse pointer} over the
	graphical button and pressing one of the physical mouse
	buttons starts some software action such as closing a window
	or deleting a file.

	See also {radio button}.

	(1997-07-07)

on a
current page.

I read somewhere that we shouldn't use <jsp:forward> standard

<standard> Standards are necessary for {interworking},
	{portability}, and {reusability}.  They may be {de facto
	standards} for various communities, or officially recognised
	national or international standards.

	{Andrew Tanenbaum}, in his Computer Networks book, once said,
	"The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of
	them to choose from", a reference to the fact that competing
	standards become a source of confusion, division,
	obsolescence, and duplication of effort instead of an
	enhancement to the usefulness of products.

	Some bodies concerned in one way or another with computing
	standards are {IAB} ({RFC} and {STD}), {ISO}, {ANSI}, {DoD},
	{ECMA}, {IEEE}, {IETF}, {OSF}, {W3C}.

	(1999-07-06)

action
in JSP

<programming, World-Wide Web> (JSP) A freely available
	specification for extending the {Java Servlet} {API} to
	generate dynamic {web pages} on a {web server}.  The JSP
	specification was written by industry leaders as part of the
	Java development program.

	JSP assists developers in creating {HTML} or {XML} pages that
	combine static (fixed) page templates with dynamic content.
	Separating the {user interface} from content generation allows
	page designers to change the page layout without having to
	rewrite program code.  JSP was designed to be simpler than
	pure servlets or {CGI} {scripting}.

	JSP uses XML-like tags and scripts written in Java to generate
	the page content.  HTML or XML formatting {tags} are passed
	back to the client.  Application logic can live on the server,
	e.g. in {JavaBeans}.

	JSP is a {cross-platform} alternative to {Microsoft's} {Active
	Server Pages}, which only runs in {IIS} on {Windows NT}.

	Applications written to the JSP specification can be run on
	compliant web servers, and web servers such as {Apache},
	{Netscape Enterprise Server}, and Microsoft {IIS} that have
	had Java support added.  JSP should soon be available on
	{Unix}, {AS/400}, and {mainframe} platforms.

	{JavaServer Pages (http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/)}.

	{Infoworld Article
	(http://www.infoworld.com/cgi-bin/displayStory.pl?99063.ecjsp.htm)}.

	(1999-11-28)

since it makes page behavior hard to comprehend. Forwarding
violates the principle that a JSP is a view.

Does a MVC

1. <programming> {Model View Controller}.

	2. <filename extension> The {filename extension} of {JPEG}
	images output by {Sony}'s {Mavica} range of {digital cameras}.

	(2002-05-28)

framework

In {object-oriented} systems, a set of {class}es that embodies
	an abstract design for solutions to a number of related
	problems.

	(1995-01-30)

will help me avoid using <jsp:forward> ? And how?
I've never used any MVC framework. What is a good one out there? I
had a brief look at Struts before and it seemed so complicated. I
hesitated to use it because it mite double the development

The process of analysis, design, coding and testing software.

time and I
am not sure if Struts will last long. Which framework should I use
then?

Is there anyway to avoid using <jsp:forward> without using any
existing MVC framework. My application is not using any framework,
only JSP, JAVABean models using Hibernate, no controlling Servlet at
all. I am still struggling for a better design

<process> The approach that engineering (and some other)
	disciplines use to specify how to create or do something.  A
	successful design must satisfies a (perhaps informal)
	{functional specification} (do what it was designed to do);
	conforms to the limitations of the target medium (it is
	possible to implement); meets implicit or explicit
	requirements on performance and resource usage (it is
	efficient enough).

	A design may also have to satisfy restrictions on the design
	process itself, such as its length or cost, or the tools
	available for doing the design.

	In the {software life-cycle}, design follows {requirements
	analysis} and is followed by implementation.

	["Object-Oriented Analysis and Design with Applications", 2nd
	ed., Grady Booch].

	(1996-12-08)

to make the application
more scalable, reusable.
Any help is appreciated.
Tung Chau

From: tabrez19_i

Date: Thursday, September 16, 2004

wrote in message

In {object-oriented programming} sending a message to an
	{object} (to invoke a {method}) is equivalent to calling a
	{procedure} in traditional programming languages, except that
	the actual code executed may only be selected at run time
	depending on the {class} of the object.  Thus, in response to
	the message "drawSelf", the method code invoked would be
	different if the target object were a circle or a square.

	(1995-02-16)

Hi,
I've been using <jsp:forward> alot in my application for
authentication to forward back to login page if the user did not log in
or to forward to a new or parent page after hitting Submit button on a
current page.
I read somewhere that we shouldn't use <jsp:forward> standard action
in JSP since it makes page behavior hard to comprehend. Forwarding
violates the principle that a JSP is a view.
Does a MVC framework will help me avoid using <jsp:forward> ? And how?
I've never used any MVC framework. What is a good one out there? I
had a brief look at Struts before and it seemed so complicated. I
hesitated to use it because it mite double the development time and I
am not sure if Struts will last long. Which framework should I use
then?
Is there anyway to avoid using <jsp:forward> without using any
existing MVC framework. My application is not using any framework,
only JSP, JAVABean models using Hibernate, no controlling Servlet at
all. I am still struggling for a better design to make the application
more scalable, reusable.
Any help is appreciated.
Tung Chau

you can create MVC based web application even with out using a
specific framework(like struts). Just create a servlet

<World-Wide Web> (By analogy with "{applet}") A {Java} program
	that runs as part of a {network} service, typically an {HTTP
	server} and responds to requests from {clients}.

	The most common use for a servlet is to extend a {web server}
	by generating {web content} dynamically.  For example, a
	{client} may need {information} from a {database}; a servlet
	can be written that receives the request, gets and processes
	the data as needed by the {client} and then returns the result
	to the {client}.

	{Applets} are also written in {Java} but run inside the {JVM}
	of a {HTML} {browser} on the {client}.  Servlets and applets
	allow the server and client to be extended in a modular way by
	dynamically loading code which communicates with the main
	program via a standard programming interface.

	Servlets are more flexible than {CGI scripts} and, being
	written in {Java}, more portable.

	The spelling "servelet" is occasionally seen but {JavaSoft}
	spell it "servlet".  There is no such thing as a "serverlet".

	{(http://java.sun.com/products/servlet/)}.

	(2002-10-06)

which handles
all the requests and forwards the request to some JSP after doing the
authentication etc. You do not need to forward in JSPs. When the
complexity of your web application increases, the code

<software> Instructions for a computer in some programming
	language, often {machine language}.  The word "code" is often
	used to distinguish instructions from {data} (e.g. "The code
	is marked 'read-only'") whereas "{software}" is used in
	contrast with "{hardware}" and may consist of more than just
	code.

	(2000-04-08)

you've to
write to support

After-sale handholding; something many software vendors
	promise but few deliver.  To hackers, most support people are
	useless - because by the time a hacker calls support he or she
	will usually know the software and the relevant manuals better
	than the support people (sadly, this is *not* a joke or
	exaggeration).  A hacker's idea of "support" is a tte--tte
	or exchange of {electronic mail} with the software's designer.

	[{Jargon File}]

	(1995-02-15)

MVC architecture

<architecture> Design, the way components fit together.  The
	term is used particularly of {processors}, both individual and
	in general.  "The {ARM} has a really clean architecture".  It
	may also be used of any complex system, e.g. "software
	architecture", "network architecture".

	(1995-05-02)

may become large and at that time
you may consider using something like Jakarta Struts.

tabrez

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