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From: Roedy Green Date:   Thursday, October 25, 2007
Has anyone run across an official definition of argument and parameter
for JAVA?
--
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From: Daniel Dyer Date:   Thursday, October 25, 2007
On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 16:38:31 +0100, Roedy Green
wrote in message :

Has anyone run across an official definition of argument and parameter
for JAVA?



Not specifically for JAVA, but the only interpretation I have seen that
does not use the terms interchangeably is that an argument is a specific
instance of a parameter.

E.g, in the following example, the parameter for doSomething is anInteger
and the argument is 4.

public static void doSomething(int anInteger)
{
System.out.println("The argument was " + anInteger);
}

public static void main(String[] s)
{
doSomething(4);
}

Dan.

--
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From: Eric Sosman Date:   Thursday, October 25, 2007
wrote in message On 10/25/07 11:38,:
Has anyone run across an official definition of argument and parameter
for JAVA?



JLS 8.4.1 defines "formal parameter" and refers to
"actual argument expressions" that supply the initial
values of the "parameter variable s." This is consistent
with the practice in some other languages: The parameter
is the local variable in the method/function/subroutine/
procedure/lambda expression/whatever, and the argument
is the caller-supplied value/reference/thingy.

--
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From: Roedy Green Date:   Thursday, October 25, 2007
On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:29:06 -0400, Eric Sosman <Eric.Sosman@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote in message, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :

JLS 8.4.1 defines "formal parameter" and refers to
"actual argument expressions" that supply the initial
values of the "parameter variables." This is consistent
with the practice in some other languages: The parameter
is the local variable in the method/function/subroutine/
procedure/lambda expression/whatever, and the argument
is the caller-supplied value/reference/thingy.



thanks. I have written new entries for
http://mindprod.com/jgloss/parameters.html
http://mindprod.com/jgloss/arguments.html
--
Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products
The JAVA Glossary
http://mindprod.com


From: Wayne Date:   Thursday, October 25, 2007
wrote in message:
On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:29:06 -0400, Eric Sosman <Eric.Sosman@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote in message, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
JLS 8.4.1 defines "formal parameter" and refers to
"actual argument expressions" that supply the initial
values of the "parameter variables." This is consistent
with the practice in some other languages: The parameter
is the local variable in the method/function/subroutine/
procedure/lambda expression/whatever, and the argument
is the caller-supplied value/reference/thingy.
thanks. I have written new entries for
http://mindprod.com/jgloss/parameters.html
http://mindprod.com/jgloss/arguments.html



The terms are interchangeable. But I'm sure we could
have a long parameter on this subject.

-Wayne


From: Andrew Thompson Date:   Friday, October 26, 2007
wrote in message:
..
The terms are interchangeable. But I'm sure we could
have a long parameter on this subject.



(chuckle)

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From: Mark Space Date:   Friday, October 26, 2007
wrote in message:
wrote in message:
..
The terms are interchangeable. But I'm sure we could
have a long parameter on this subject.
(chuckle)



Yeah that was a good one. I was going to say that JAVA methods have
parameters and arguments are what we've here. ;-)


From: Lew Date:   Friday, October 26, 2007
wrote in message:
Yeah that was a good one. I was going to say that JAVA methods have
parameters and arguments are what we've here. ;-)



Must ... not ... quote ... Monty Python ... ... must ... resist . . . .

--
Lew


From: Andreas Leitgeb Date:   Friday, October 26, 2007
wrote in message:
wrote in message:
Yeah that was a good one. I was going to say that JAVA methods have
parameters and arguments are what we've here. ;-)
Must ... not ... quote ... Monty Python ... ... must ... resist . . . .
no!





From: Andrew Thompson Date:   Friday, October 26, 2007
wrote in message:
Yeah that was a good one. I was going to say that JAVA methods have
parameters and arguments are what we've here. ;-)
Must ... not ... quote ... Monty Python ... ... must ... resist . . . .



I hate to admit this, but I am not entirely sure of the
Monty Python quote you are referring to, and I'm burning
with curiosity.

The only sketch I can think of that comes close, is the
'I want an argument' sketch.

<poorly paraphrased MP>
"Oh, I'm sorry, ..you wanted an argument? This is 'abuse'."
</poorly paraphrased MP>

--
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From: Lew Date:   Friday, October 26, 2007
wrote in message:
The only sketch I can think of that comes close, is the
'I want an argument' sketch.



You get the gold star. That is the one that fits the parameters.

--
Lew


From: Roedy Green Date:   Friday, October 26, 2007
wrote in message,
quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :

You get the gold star. That is the one that fits the parameters.



Who can quote the line from Star Trek?
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From: Andrew Thompson Date:   Friday, October 26, 2007
wrote in message:
The only sketch I can think of that comes close, is the
'I want an argument' sketch.
You get the gold star.



Thanks! That is much more validation than any ..
<dws>Google group s 'rating'</dws>.

But I am surprised that ..an *American* * would've
such arcane knowledge of Monty Python! It is good
to post to these international newsgroups, if only to
dispell such 'colloquial myths'!

* My apologies for my amazement, but I thought Monty
Python's appeal was limited to those English speaking
countries that were 'not America'. I had suspected the
MP humor to be 'beyond them' ( thank you for pointing
out the - ..naivety of my ways ;).

--
Andrew Thompson
http://www.athompson.info/andrew/

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From: Andrew Thompson Date:   Friday, October 26, 2007
wrote in message:
You get the gold star. That is the one that fits the parameters.
Who can quote the line from Star Trek?



Who cares? (I always hated Star Trek, such dweebie
"let's all get in touch with our inner feelings" crap that I
hoped the Klingons/Borg/'WhoCares?''d wipe the lot
of them out - they didn't deserve to infest the universe
with 'Federation Dweebies').

--
Andrew Thompson
http://www.athompson.info/andrew/

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From: Lasse Reichstein Nielsen Date:   Friday, October 26, 2007
Roedy Green <see_website@xxxxxxxxxxx> writes:

wrote in message,
quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
You get the gold star. That is the one that fits the parameters.
Who can quote the line from Star Trek?



Beyond "Beam me up, Scotty", "Make it so", "Open hailing frequencies"
and "Fire photon torpedos"? :)

/L '*sing* We come in peace, shoot to kill, shoot to kill! *sing*'
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From: Daniel Pitts Date:   Friday, October 26, 2007
wrote in message:
wrote in message:
The only sketch I can think of that comes close, is the
'I want an argument' sketch.
You get the gold star.
Thanks! That is much more validation than any ..
<dws>Google groups 'rating'</dws>.
But I am surprised that ..an *American* * would've
such arcane knowledge of Monty Python! It is good
to post to these international newsgroups, if only to
dispell such 'colloquial myths'!
* My apologies for my amazement, but I thought Monty
Python's appeal was limited to those English speaking
countries that were 'not America'. I had suspected the
MP humor to be 'beyond them' ( thank you for pointing
out the - ..naivety of my ways ;).


Monty Python is quite popular here actually. Although it does kind of
have a niche following. Some might even say that social misfits enjoy
MP more than the rest. Personally, that either makes them wrong or me a
social misfit (or both, possibly).
--
Daniel Pitts' Tech Blog: <http://virtualinfinity.net/wordpress/>


From: Daniel Pitts Date:   Friday, October 26, 2007
wrote in message:
wrote in message:
You get the gold star. That is the one that fits the parameters.
Who can quote the line from Star Trek?
Who cares? (I always hated Star Trek, such dweebie
"let's all get in touch with our inner feelings" crap that I
hoped the Klingons/Borg/'WhoCares?''d wipe the lot
of them out - they didn't deserve to infest the universe
with 'Federation Dweebies').


You must be thinking of Star Trek: TNG. The original star trek was all
about beating up aliens and wooing the girl.--
Daniel Pitts' Tech Blog: <http://virtualinfinity.net/wordpress/>


From: John W. Kennedy Date:   Friday, October 26, 2007
wrote in message:
wrote in message:
The only sketch I can think of that comes close, is the
'I want an argument' sketch.
You get the gold star.
Thanks! That is much more validation than any ..
<dws>Google groups 'rating'</dws>.
But I am surprised that ..an *American* * would've
such arcane knowledge of Monty Python! It is good
to post to these international newsgroups, if only to
dispell such 'colloquial myths'!
* My apologies for my amazement, but I thought Monty
Python's appeal was limited to those English speaking
countries that were 'not America'. I had suspected the
MP humor to be 'beyond them' ( thank you for pointing
out the - ..naivety of my ways ;).



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From: Travis James Date:   Friday, October 26, 2007
wrote in message:
* My apologies for my amazement, but I thought Monty
Python's appeal was limited to those English speaking
countries that were 'not America'. I had suspected the
MP humor to be 'beyond them' ( thank you for pointing
out the - ..naivety of my ways ;).


I had never thought about how a Brit might think Americans take Monty
Python. It's not at all uncommon at a gathering/cocktail party for a
group of men (never women that I have seen) take some topic and twist it
into some MP skit or movie scene.

MP fans I know seem to cut their teeth on Holy Grail or Meaning of Life
before fully appreciating Life of Brian or episodes of MP's Flying
Circus. (Never saw Jabberwocky.)

-- TJ (Californian)


From: Lew Date:   Friday, October 26, 2007
wrote in message:
wrote in message:
* My apologies for my amazement, but I thought Monty
Python's appeal was limited to those English speaking
countries that were 'not America'. I had suspected the MP humor to be
'beyond them' ( thank you for pointing out the - ..naivety of my ways ;).

I had never thought about how a Brit might think Americans take Monty
Python. It's not at all uncommon at a gathering/cocktail party for a
group of men (never women that I have seen) take some topic and twist it
into some MP skit or movie scene.
MP fans I know seem to cut their teeth on Holy Grail or Meaning of Life
before fully appreciating Life of Brian or episodes of MP's Flying
Circus. (Never saw Jabberwocky.)



I remember how impressed I was that /Matching Tie and Handkerchief/ was a
3-sided LP pressed onto a single disc of vinyl.

--
Lew


From: John W. Kennedy Date:   Friday, October 26, 2007
wrote in message:
wrote in message:
* My apologies for my amazement, but I thought Monty
Python's appeal was limited to those English speaking
countries that were 'not America'. I had suspected the MP humor to be
'beyond them' ( thank you for pointing out the - ..naivety of my ways ;).

I had never thought about how a Brit might think Americans take Monty
Python. It's not at all uncommon at a gathering/cocktail party for a
group of men (never women that I have seen) take some topic and twist it
into some MP skit or movie scene.
MP fans I know seem to cut their teeth on Holy Grail or Meaning of Life
before fully appreciating Life of Brian or episodes of MP's Flying
Circus. (Never saw Jabberwocky.)



Anyway, "Monty Python" is too easy. I know people, fellow Yanks, who can
jump straight into "The Frog and Peach", taking either side.

Some of us can even do, "Eccles, what time is it?"

--
John W. Kennedy
A proud member of the reality-based community.


From: John W. Kennedy Date:   Friday, October 26, 2007
wrote in message:
I remember how impressed I was that /Matching Tie and Handkerchief/ was
a 3-sided LP pressed onto a single disc of vinyl.



We had a 12-sided LP by Henny Youngman when I was a kid. Six sides were
a horse race and the other six sides were a car race. You could bet on it.

--
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From: Sherman Pendley Date:   Friday, October 26, 2007
"Andrew Thompson" <u32984@xxxxxxxxxxx> writes:

But I am surprised that ..an *American* * would've
such arcane knowledge of Monty Python!



Back in the 70s, the PBS here in the US used to rebroadcast several hours
of BBC programming each week. Even living on a farm in the sticks, I still
got to see Monty Python, Doctor Who, The Prisoner, Hitch Hiker's Guide to
the Galaxy (TV & radio versions), and others.

sherm--

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From: Roedy Green Date:   Friday, October 26, 2007
On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 19:00:04 -0400, Sherman Pendley
wrote in message, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who
said :

Back in the 70s, the PBS here in the US used to rebroadcast several hours
of BBC programming each week. Even living on a farm in the sticks, I still
got to see Monty Python, Doctor Who, The Prisoner, Hitch Hiker's Guide to
the Galaxy (TV & radio versions), and others.



A guy named Sandy Middleton lived in our house back in the 70s. He
claimed he did some writing for the Pythons. He kept me howling with
his practical jokes.

We did a series of Pythonesque sketches about gay lib and put them on
industrial strength telephone answering machine than ran night and day
solidly.
--
Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products
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From: Andrew Thompson Date:   Friday, October 26, 2007
wrote in message:
* My apologies for my amazement, but I thought Monty
Python's appeal was limited to those English speaking
countries that were 'not America'. I had suspected the
MP humor to be 'beyond them' ( thank you for pointing
out the - ..naivety of my ways ;).
I had never thought about how a Brit might think Americans take Monty
Python. ...



Keep thinking. I'm an 'Aussie'. ;-)

And in response to the comment by another person to the
effect that MP fans are considered slightly 'off-beat' in
America - I can confirm the same is true in Australia, at
the very least.

--
Andrew Thompson
http://www.athompson.info/andrew/

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From: Wildemar Wildenburger Date:   Friday, October 26, 2007
wrote in message:
Who can quote the line from Star Trek?
Beyond "Beam me up, Scotty"



Not a Star Trek quote.

/W


From: Lew Date:   Friday, October 26, 2007
wrote in message:
wrote in message:
Who can quote the line from Star Trek?

Beyond "Beam me up, Scotty"
Not a Star Trek quote.



Probably the most common /Star Trek/ misquote, and one of the more common
misquotes out there. As a misquote, it's up there with "Play it again, Sam,"
not actually from /Casablanca/.

--
Lew


From: Eric Sosman Date:   Friday, October 26, 2007
wrote in message:
wrote in message:
The only sketch I can think of that comes close, is the
'I want an argument' sketch.
You get the gold star.
Thanks! That is much more validation than any ..
<dws>Google groups 'rating'</dws>.
But I am surprised that ..an *American* * would've
such arcane knowledge of Monty Python! It is good
to post to these international newsgroups, if only to
dispell such 'colloquial myths'!
* My apologies for my amazement, but I thought Monty
Python's appeal was limited to those English speaking
countries that were 'not America'. I had suspected the
MP humor to be 'beyond them' ( thank you for pointing
out the - ..naivety of my ways ;).



Monty Python is in fact beyond the grasp of Americans.
But our fingernails scrape up a little of the varnish as
we grasp desperately for the prize just out of our reach,
and the gunk under our nails is so much more entertaining
than any local product that we think we have seen the joke.

Spam (ha-ha!) Spam (hee-hee!) Spam (ho-ho-ho!) Spam
(Why do I feel hungry?) Fish-slapping dance? (Hunh? Oh,
right: The fish is made of Spam! Hahahahahaha!)

--
Eric Sosman
esosman@xxxxxxxxxxx


From: Eric Sosman Date:   Friday, October 26, 2007
wrote in message:
wrote in message:
wrote in message:
* My apologies for my amazement, but I thought Monty
Python's appeal was limited to those English speaking
countries that were 'not America'. I had suspected the MP humor to be
'beyond them' ( thank you for pointing out the - ..naivety of my ways
;).
I had never thought about how a Brit might think Americans take Monty
Python. It's not at all uncommon at a gathering/cocktail party for a
group of men (never women that I have seen) take some topic and twist it
into some MP skit or movie scene.

MP fans I know seem to cut their teeth on Holy Grail or Meaning of
Life before fully appreciating Life of Brian or episodes of MP's
Flying Circus. (Never saw Jabberwocky.)
Anyway, "Monty Python" is too easy. I know people, fellow Yanks, who can
jump straight into "The Frog and Peach", taking either side.
Some of us can even do, "Eccles, what time is it?"



... and here is a photograph of me saying it. Ying-tong
iddle-eye-poh!

--
Eric Sosman
esosman@xxxxxxxxxxx



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